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Jay said in May 5th, 2005 at 11:52 am

I don’t agree completely. I guess the last paragraph through me. Our conscience is able to discern consensual acts and behaviors which …. are we getting into the victimless crime area here? direct harm vs indirect harm? Because whats the difference? Harm is harm, and breaking a law is crime, and like you said all crimes are sins. What are you trying to say? Because if you believe in God, then all sins are crimes…they are crimes against God’s law, and that should be the higher law.

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Margaret Romao Toigo said in May 5th, 2005 at 10:25 pm

Indeed, we answer to God for all of our sins because He is the higher law. But the state is not God, and the government is not His representative because governments are made up of mortal humans who are elected/appointed by other mortal humans and mortal humans are not fit to judge the virtues and sins of other mortal humans. We are only fit to judge violations of civil and human rights.

Those who commit crimes (lying, cheating, stealing, murdering, etc.) must answer to the state because a crime is an act which violates the rights of others and it is the duty of the state to protect and defend our rights.

The trouble with certain consensual acts and behaviors that do not encroach upon the civil and human rights of others being called crimes for which we must answer to the state is that such laws dilute the effectiveness of the churches — which are God’s representatives on Earth — as arbiters of conscience. Why worry about your soul in the afterlife if your earthly body is going to go to jail right now?

This article and the previous article, “Traditional Judeo-Christian Morality,” are a part of a larger work in progress. I am working on clarifying the finer points of the separation of church from state and I really appreciate comments like yours and Dory’s because they are helping me to better define it.

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Wittenberg Gate said in May 11th, 2005 at 6:45 am

By What Authority and By What Standard?

…if some men are to have authority over others, the source of authority must come from somewhere. It must come from somewhere where the seat of authority over all men lies. It must transcend mankind if it is not to be simply some men, even a majority…

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[...] oigo, April 24, 2005 On Judgment vs. Discernment and Sin vs. Crime by Dory, May 02, 2005 The Difference Between Crime and Sin [...]

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cat said in February 2nd, 2006 at 1:18 pm

all authority is god given.New testament, romans 13v1

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Baylink said in April 24th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

> I don’t think that it is accurate to say that the ‘basic Judeo-Christian ethic upon which our country was founded,’ can be summarized by this one (or any one) passage of Scripture.”

Correct.

Cause America wasn’t founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic at all; a working majority of the Founding Fathers weren’t even Christians.

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Margaret Romao Toigo said in April 24th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

So many people have that one wrong. Didn’t they ever read any Thomas Jefferson?

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