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Blogcritics said in May 22nd, 2005 at 8:27 pm

Authority and Morality

American government was not intended to be an authority over the actions and behaviors of the people, but rather the keeper, protector and defender of the rights of the people.

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Mellie Helen said in May 23rd, 2005 at 1:59 am

Not a comment on your post, but on your quotations box in the sidebar — I just saw one from Benjamin Franklin about raising your children to learn self-restraint (discipline), thus saving them a lifetime of woe. Ol’ Ben sure knew a great secret to parenting!

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Jay said in May 24th, 2005 at 1:11 am

American government was not intended to be an authority over the actions and behaviors of the people?
Wrong!!!! Individual rights are not exhaustive to true liberty. A more sociologically realistic way of thinking about freedom would consist of a balance. Three elements. 1. individual rights are not exhaustive of liberty. 2. individual responsibilities are the necessary corollary of individual rights, and 3. mediating institutions are functional to the cause of liberty.

“Why has government been instituted at all? Because the passions of men will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice without constraint.” Alexander Hamilton

The Preamble of the Constitution expresses the prime objective of the Founders. Here is a lits…1. form a more perfect union, 2. establish justice, 3. ensure doemestic tranquility, 4. provide for the common defense, 5. promote the general welfare, and 6. to secure the blessings of liberty. Where did it mention rights?

Rights are God given, and yes the government should protect them, but this is not their primary objective.

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Margaret Romao Toigo said in May 24th, 2005 at 12:08 pm

Forming a more perfect union, establishing justice, ensuring domestic tranquility, providing for the common defense, promoting the general welfare and — most importantly — securing the blessings of liberty are all essential to the protection and defense of our rights.

The Constitution is a nearly perfect blueprint for a government that is powerful enough to protect and defend the rights of the people while being limited in its authority so as not to infringe upon them itself. It is a brilliant system with numerous checks and balances that limit the power and authority of government so as to avoid man’s natural temptation to tyranny and oppression because “…the passions of men will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice without constraint.”

The Bill of Rights enumerates our basic rights and the subsequent amendments to the Constitution — with the exception of the 18th, of course (some might also include the 16th, but Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution is pretty clear about the government’s need to collect taxes “to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States”) — have either had something to do with refining and clarifying government procedures and practices or the recognition of rights that were not previously discovered and enumerated by the Founders (such as womens’ right to vote).

Now, you’re a smart man, Jay and I’m sure you already know all of that (it’s basic high school civics class kind of stuff), so why deny it? Why look for governmental authority over free will where there really is none? Are you afraid of your own freedom and free will? Do you need a tyrannical and oppressive state to stand over you with a stick (well, jail/fines) to keep you from sinning? Or are you more concerned about other people exercising their freedom and free will in ways in which you may not approve?

Remember, we’re not talking about the government not having the authority to prosecute crime (acts and behaviors that encroach upon the civil and human rights of others) because that is a given when the government has the authority to protect and defend our rights, but rather the government not having authority over actions and behaviors of free will that might be sinful but do not encroach upon the civil and human rights of others.

And, yes, I do understand the implications of my assertions. I’m sure that you do as well — even if the idea might make you somewhat uncomfortable, which is only natural for an authoritarian conservative (heck, even us libertarian conservatives have our moments of apprehension).

America is the “land of the free and the home of the brave” because living in true freedom as the arbiters of our own God-given free will and conscience requires a lot of courage, not only because of the personal responsibility and discipline that are essential to resisting temptations of the flesh and living a moral life in such a society, but the fortitude to manifest sufficient tolerance of and faith in our fellow man’s ability to deal with his liberty (even when he does so differently than we do).

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Jay said in May 25th, 2005 at 9:21 am

Just remember that they are called “civil” rights for a reason. Rights can not exist without responsibility along with them. Too many libertarians could care less about responsibility.

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Jay said in May 25th, 2005 at 9:22 am

By the way, I’ve got a post up that I’d like your opinion on.

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Margaret Romao Toigo said in May 25th, 2005 at 10:19 am

Indeed Jay, our rights cannot exist without responsibility. I think we only differ in terms of how responsible actions and behaviors should be encouraged/enforced. Freedom doesn’t mean free-for-all.

I am aware of those people who speak of freedom and rights as if personal responsibility is a form of bondage, such people will always exist but they are few and far in between. Sometimes it seems as if there are lots of them, but that’s only because the lurid stories get the big ratings shares in our highly competitive 24-hour news cycle.

Those of us who consume commercial news need to remember that our American media is capitalist and to take all of the doom, gloom and lasciviousness it reports for what it is, knowing full well that the news does not represent how the vast majority of us actually live our lives in ways that do not make for interesting reportage.

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Jay said in May 26th, 2005 at 9:22 am

I’ve got something up at my site today (Thursday) that I think you will agree with me on.

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